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questions. i may have to take some off air. she's here all week about how they're optimizing relationships, quite literally, and their brains. we talked about swinging parties today. she has more throughout the week. lori appreciate hit. >> thank you. let's move on. top of the hour. i'm brooke baldwin. you're watching cnn. isis snapping incredible pictures of the moment u.s. warplanes pound this weapons facile isty in a factory used to make car bombs. these are pictures of syria and the unprecedented wave of isis bombing targets. these pictures show jordan dropping bombs, making good on their king's vow of vengeance for the burning alive of that young captured jordanian fighter
pilot. today the king abdullah paid respects to the dead pilot's father. he also did something unorthodox. ordered his warplanes to fly over the pilot's # hometown after the bombing run. jordan says this is the muslim's war now. daesh is used an acronym for isis. here he was. >> this is the muslim war. this is the arab's war. daesh is in the front of jordan and putting threats to saudi arabia and to kuwait and other gulf countries as well as iraq and syria of course. so it is logical for all of us to say and understand and accept this is our war, especially that daesh is committing this war on the name of islam which is absolutely incorrect and not true.
>> back here in the united states, president obama capitalized on the wave of condemnation of muslims around the world. >> no god condemns terror. the taking of innocent lives where oppression for those that are weaker in number. we push back to restore religion. >> let's go to jordan to becky anderson live this evening in aman. we have this photo. royal court posted this of the king himself. here he is in military flight suit. you're there on the ground talking to jordanians. do they feel they're suddenly in new war? >> reporter: yeah. it will be interesting to get their reaction to that video that you've just been showing our viewers which was released
in the last hour on state tv here. no exact locations identified. in this statement from the jordanian armed forces confirming these air strikes today, they said and i quote in loyalty to our martyr hero kasaesbeh. fighter jets delivered several air strikes against the terrorist daesh position at 11:00 a.m. this morning. these position were ammunition dumps, training facilities. the statement went on to say all facilities they targeted were did destroyed. we're told by syrian activists that other coalition air strikes attacked the town 600 kilometers northeast of damascus today where 20 strikes hit targets and ten isis militants were killed. so clearly a ratcheting up of
efforts since the the king had vowed in what he suggested would be a harsh response to release of video of that young pilot released by isis apparently showing that he was killed in raqqa where the air strikes were delivered by jordanian aircraft today. remember that video shown famously now in front on big screens in front of isis supporters in raqqa. this is a strong hold of isis militant support in syria. we are clearing seeing a ratcheting up of efforts brooke. this remember only 72 hours or so after king abdullah was in washington a visit he had to cut short to return here. he was there to appeal to obama administration and those on capitol hill. they must stick with this fight and intensify the support for
the arab al lied coalition here. it seems to a certain extent that is jordan flying its missions at present. not much else from theal lied coalition. it's about support on the ground for those fighting isis. tribes iraq and syria. we're seeing a clear intensified effort on the part of jordanians as promised by the king what 24 hours ago. brooke? >> yep. i want to stay on notion of ratcheted up support. becky can, thank you. first in iraq u.s. says it is pushing back the isis onslauth. in syria, not as successful. white house calls it the syria challenge. how does the u.s. get to isis in a country where it seems there is no trust? i have david here with me as a consultant to u.s. governments and u.n.
he's met with the leader several times. he's also an author. welcome back. >> thank you. >> you've just returned from trips to lebanon and jordan meeting with stakeholders in this war. can we begin with the notion it's been tough for coalition to hit syria because of intel on the ground. how does jordan carry out air strikes inside bashar assad syria? how do they do that with lack of intel? >> i don't think it's lack of intel. it's very important to the coalition effort. they can hit isis wherever they want. the emphasis has been on iraq because the perception is we have much more of a partner in the governor of iraq than we do in syria. once the situation is taken care of in iraq so to speak, we'll love on to syria.
this has been the position of the syrian government. they can help in all of this. they've penetrated isis. a lot of these guys have knowledge of them. they tried to position themselves as a government that can help the u.s. and the antiisis coalition. obviously that's a hard sale in countries against the syrian government. >> off what you're saying. once you have these air strikes in syria, we know how u.s. feels about bashar assad. what happens in locations that are hit? >> once again -- this moment may be important shifting the narrative away from what had been sentiments neutral and pro-isis to anti-isis particularly in sunni countries and jordan. it's important that the u.s. feels it takes advantage of this. that's why jordan is hitting so
hard to stay on top of this narrative. remember we're always one stray bomb hitting a hospital in raqqa and killing innocent children from the narrative shifting back in another direction. that's one of the problems in the anti-isis effort now. >> what about becky anderson talking about the swift response from jordan. here we are basically 48 hours. you had the executions including the failed female iraqi suicide bomber who had been on death row in jordan. and the air strikes. this is a culture that's not entirely supportive of this u.s. led war. does swift retaliatory response surprise you? >> no not at all. king abdullah of jordan had to do something. i was just in jordan. i left before the execution of the jordanian pilot. it was major news. everyone was talking about it and very worried about the pilot
and what would happen. just remember that there were probably just as many sentiments in jordan saying this is a result of our participation and pro u.s. policies in participation in the anti-isis coalition, as opposed to ed tod to isis being a brutal organization. king abdullah is compelled to shape the narrative and take advantage of this sentiment that's erupted that is anti-isis. if he didn't do anything he would be looked at as a weak. i'm not surprised this immediate action was taken. >> your book "syria house of the fall of bashar." thank you. we'll talk about the reports of a secret mission to rescue the jordanian pilot. the escalation as the u.s.
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putin to pull troops out of ukraine. secretary of state john kerry is in kiev and says russia is sending instruments of death, his words, into ukraine and firing on hospitals, schools, crowds of people. how did the situation get to this point? let me back up fair momentor a moment to 2004. russia's candidate wins ukraine's presidency. his opponent gets poisoning. that president was ousted in 2005 flash forward to 2005 he returns as the president. then weeks later, russia annexes crimea. then fast forward and the plane crashes in ukraine. everyone on board was killed. our next guest had the guts to stand up to putin when russian tanks invaded his country.
he said putin wanted to hang him by his private parts. the former president of georgia held his ground until russian troops retreated. he's the former president of georgia. he joins me live in kiev. mr. president, welcome back to the show. >> thank you. thank you for inviting me. >> let's first begin with vladimir putin's timing here. i understand you think it's very deliberate. right now so much of the world is focussing on iraq syria, isis that putin is choosing this moment to launch this new offensive. >> yes. in a way he thinks the tragedy that's happening in the middle east is blessing in disguise because it diverts the world's attention from another tragic situation in ukraine, daily killings and shelling lot of civilian population displaced. this happens to be the largest
country in europe. drama dropped off from the radars of wider television audiences and helping putin. >> so here you have then secretary kerry where you are in kiev today and this notion of potentially having the united states lethally arm ukrainians ahead of this larger fight. do you think there's any risks in arming ukrainians? >> well look. there has been an ongoing debate for quite a long time. there are situations where weapons can only be stopped with weapons. the situation reminds me of war in afghanistan where they lost two factors. lower oil and gas price and the arm pads stinger missiles president reagan supplied to afghan rebels. you have again dropping oil price and aggressive russia. what ukrainians really need at
this stage and what they're desperately asking for was antiarmor weapons because they're being attacked by russian armor obviously. they're being attacked and need artillery discover devices. they need unmanned flying. that's what americans might be giving them now. i think it's high time to give it. actually hillary clinton had the point when she said ukrainians deserved it for heroic resistance. they're standing up to this overwhelming force. putin is not by accident that he started to talk now because he learned that american weapons are on their way. he'll again to try and win and seize eastern and southern ukraine and cause forces to flee and go for coup in keyiev. that's his plan. it can be stopped by actions of
allies. i think at this step, he's in the right direction. >> interestingly. you think putin is reaction air because he's hearing u.s. is arming ukrainians. you know very well putin as an en enhi enemy and fighting against him, he continues to push despite the sanctions. my question to you is what is he thinking? >> he know that the russian economy is in dire straights and heading for collapse. he's betting on ukraine collapsing first. what he thinks is that ukraine collapses within next several months. if he goes for, arranges regime change in kiev for economic pressure chaos, military defeat he might get another couple of years until all
rebound, all change u.s. administration or maybe some other changes in western capitals. people give him an out. he gets another ten or 15 20 years at if helm of russia. he's gambling on this. it reminds me of situation in 2008. what happened in 2008 because they have leaders in kiev. we had europeans from venice and americans from. basically they stepped in to say we will go for military human humanitarian operation. he used this to buy time to maneuver to get propaganda advantage. he never thought to stop. it was france. he advanced. then it was the united states to make decisive military
statements and moves on the ground with the use of aviation for them to stop. this guy only understands shear force. this is not the guy that understands good will or diplomacy. he could careless. he could go for deceit. anybody dealing with him should know he's not one to rely on for peaceful talks. certainly he's somebody that clearly understands the language toughness when the other side is willing to be tough. except until now, very few were willing to be tough. it was all left to ukrainians to stand up for themselves. >> president -- >> even the fight of the free world. this is freedom and all at stake right now. >> you walk through what happened and what you experienced in 2008. in 20 seconds, what does your gut say about ukraine and the future? >> i think it all depends on the westerners. the ukrainians are showing
miracles of heroism. this country deserves to be helped. it's interest of west and united states to risk that. they're risking idea of freedom, democracy. americans want free from world wars in europe. first, second and cold war. they're not -- i guess they are not willing to lose now. they should not lose now. they will not lose now. in the end putin will collapse. it will be at what cost and what stage. it should not be too much cost. i think we should have known before. i think we're on the right track right now. >> okay. let's hope so. former president of georgia live in kiev. thank you for the time. appreciate it. >> thank you. thank you. coming up next when you see a crash like this you have to wonder my goodness how does anyone survive? 15 souls managed to do just
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a father's hunch may have saved his family's life. minutes before that doomed transasia flight took off from taipei taiwan this strange noise prompted a young father to switch where his family was sitting on the aircraft. he said that gut decision to move from the left side of the plane that took the brunt of the crash likely saved the life of his wife and toddler. that child was among 15 that managed to survive the crash. 32 died. 11 are still missing. we learned today that analysis of the black box flight data
recorders is complete. we should soon learn what was discovered why this plane went down. let's go to miles o' brian. i've talked about this the last couple of days how in terms of surviving a plane when it crashes whether it actually matters where on the aircraft you're seated versus just a lot of luck. what do you think? >> well i think we have to be careful on this. there's correlation problems here when we talk about people that unbuckle seat belts or move to the other side. the thing that's really important for you and i to think about when we get on the plane, instead of burying ourselves in our ipad or going to sleep, it's good to pay attention during the first and last minute of a flight. what was really interesting, the guy said i heard something funny and decided to move from the engine making the funny noise. that may have saved their lives. when you get on a plane, don't
ignore that briefing. carry a flashlight count the number of rows to the exit row. sit in the exit if you can and want to -- >> do you do that every time you get on a plane? >> i do. i actually do. i try to think of myself. i'm an aviation geek. i'm watching the flaps set right. i'm just that way. sometimes i nod off too. this does happen. it's important to try to stay alert. when you're rolling down the runway brooke the average time is about 30 seconds before the nose points up. if it gets much beyond 30 seconds, and this varies a little whether in phoenix in the summer or that kind of thing. nevertheless give or take 30 seconds. if you're still rolling, pay attention. maybe you should be thinking about being ready. should i brace myself? it's not where you park your back side it's where your head is at when you get on the plane. >> okay. i'll have the voice of miles o
bryan when i take off and land thanks to you. what was the may day call that may have come from the cockpit. a male voice was saying may day may day, engine flame out. what are pilots trained to do in case that were to happen? >> it's interesting. we're drilled to navigate and communicate. we don't know yet. the dockcockpit data recorders will show what they were doing, whether the radio call was the right thing to do at the moment. the fact is you have to do everything precisely correctly to the second when you lose an engine shortly after takeoff.
it's a time when that windmilling propeller could be like a garbage can lid. it can be impossible to recover if you don't do things just right. >> miles, thank you. >> you're welcome. >> after a jordanian fighter pilot was burned alive in a cage by isis there's concern for other hostages. could they be rescued? we'll talk to the seal that says he killed osama bin laden. what kind of rescue mission provides the element of surprise? that's next. thanks to angie's list now it is. we've made hiring anyone from a handyman to a dog walker as simple as a few clicks. buy their services directly at angieslist.com no more calling around. no more hassles. start shopping from a list of top-rated providers today. angie's list is revolutionizing local service again. visit angieslist.com today.
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of the hour. you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. if isis is not willing to free hostages it will depend on es cue a -- depend on rescue attempts. isis managed to stop rescue attempts and as we know they executed the pilot couple of days later. the organizations targeted raqqa, the strong hold isis caliphate. it highlights how hard it is to find and free hostages. let me bring in theis navy seal who says he killed osama bin laden. i know you drilled and drilled.
if you were to rescue this this fighter pilot, how do you prepare for that? >> thanks for having me. it's one of the things men and women involve ed from the intelligence aspect to boots on the ground and the hostage rescue team. they're prepared and ready as far as tactics go. pilots are ready to fly them in ready for routes. the issue we have is lack of coalition boots on the ground. we're not exactly sure where they are. we don't know if hostages have been moved or ever been there, what's going to happen when we fly in who's going to be there when we get there, are we going to be able to get out? it's lack of intelligence on the ground make i it more difficult. it will be easier to get done when we have coalition boots there. >> when you flew into pakistan were you aware you would be fired on? >> yeah. obviously that's one of the
situations in which we dealt in pakistan. we possibly would take fire. in raqqa, they will get shot at. they're willing to martyr themselves and fight to the death. that's one of the things. they'll be shooting. it's a question of what will be shot at us. anywhere from shoulder fire to rockets. if we had people there to tell us what they have it's going to put more chips in our favor. >> what about the fact now you have hostages. we know there's a number of them. we're hearing reports a 26-27-year-old american held by isis. they're becoming increasingly valuable. does that increase the danger if another group were to try to sweep in and rescue them? >> it's possibly going to increase the danger not that they're not in danger already. it's there. they've proven they're vicious. the only thing isis wants to do is increase viciousness. we get to a point where a beheading almost seems like the
right way to go as opposed to burning alive. what are they going to do next? yes, us rescuing them possibly increases the chance of them executing the hostages. it's not like they're going to stop trying. we have forces in place that will attempt the rescue. the problem is where are they? >> to your point about lacking intel on the ground makes it all the more challenging, right? have you seen the video? have you watched? i've chosen not to. have you watched the video of the jordanian pilot -- >> yes. i make it a point to watch whatever i can. as graphic as it is everyone needs to watch and realize the enemy we're dealing with. >> as the man who says he pulled the trigger and took down bin laden, i'm wondering beyond disgust in watching it what was the first thing that went through your mind when you is that true? >> only honestly the first thing was that this is a practicing
sunni muslim. if they're willing to burn their own people. it's radical a islam but we're dealing with psycho paths. they need to be death with. we need to meet force with force and need a coalition. we believe in solidarity which is supporting our aalliesancelliance. it's all of our war now. >> robert thank you for your service to the country and for coming on. great to see you. >> thanks for having me on. appreciate it. >> you got it. brian williams is backpeddling about a story he told years ago. now if pilot of the helicopter is speaking out. we'll speak to a meade i can't critic that says nbc news will lose all credibility if brian williams stays. we'll discuss. that says nbc news will lose all credibility if brian williams
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as the most watched news anchor in america, brian williams has built his newscast career reputation on speaking the truth. he just apologized after being caught in a mistake. that is the word he used to describe his statements about being under enemy fire in 2003 while traveling in a military helicopterer in iraq. i want you to listen first to brian williams on david letterman in 2013 and last week on his own program. >> two of our four helicopters were hit by ground fire including the one i was in. >> no kidding? >> rpg and ak 47. >> the story started with a terrible moment a dozen years back during the invasion of iraq when the helicopter we were traveling in was forced down after being hit by an rpg. our news team was rescued, surrounded and kept alive by the
military third infantry. >> williams was in the chopper behind in chinook that came under fire. 12 years ago, sergeant lance reynolds said this. sorry dude i don't remember you being on my aircraft. i remember you walk up an hour after we had landed to ask me what had happened end quote. how could brian williams get it so wrong? here's his apology yesterday. >> i made a mistake recalling the events of 12 years ago. it did not take long to hear from brave men and women and air crews who were also in that desert. i want to apologize. i said i was traveling in an aircraft hit by rpg fire. i was instead in a following aircraft. we all landed after the ground fire incident and spent two harrowing nights in a sand storm in the iraq desert. this was a bungled attempt by me
to thank one special veteran and by extension our brave men and women, veterans everywhere those who have served while i did not. i hope they know they have my greatest respect and also now my apology. >> with me now is senior media correspondent and host of reliable sources brian stelter. also with me media critic for the baltimore sun david. gentlemen, welcome. >> thanks. >> brian to you first. you have spoken to the pilot of briandicopter in 2003. tell me the story he told you. >> he said the chopper did take small arms fire. there were dents in the bottom for that reason. it was a dangerous situation. there was no rpg strike in that chopper. that happened in the chopper ahead of theirs. this is a murky situation. we've heard contradictory information from the stars and stripes newspaper. all of this goes to show why
brian williams has more explaining to do. >> it's a different story coming from the reporter travis trenton who broke the story wide open on stars and stripes. he's been in touch with veterans who were there in the other chinook. this is what travis told me. >> i've been told brian williams and the nbc crew was not on any of the three chinooks in the company that was hit. they were actually traveling in the second company in the opposite direction towards kuwait when that attack occurred. typically, they would travel about an hour behind the other a company when they were doing supply runs. they had just happened to pass though in the desert with one going south and one with going north. so geographically then close but it was clear that a brian williams' chinook was not following the chinook hit by the
rpg in the other company. >> so two different versions here of this chain of events from 2003. david, to you. you wrote in the sun, if credibility means anything to nbc news brian williams will no long per be editor and anchor by the end of the day friday. do you still feel that way? >> i do. absolutely. i'll tell you why brooke. this superintendent just as he said he misremembered something from 12 years ago. he also used the language of conflating one event with another. this is a story that he's told over those 12 years in differing versions s versions. in all of them he was in danger and took fire. it's not just that he lied for 12 years, it's the kind of lie he told. there are millions of military families in this country who
suffer everyday diminished lives from those wars. along comes an anchorman who didn't do it who by that lie. you tell me how any member of any military family in this country can look at him on tv and not feel contempt for him. that's why i think it's going to be very hard for him to continue and look managing editor and anchor he is the face of their news division. even if all he did was lie, i don't think he should be the face of that news division any longer. i'm sorry. i think you know we have this thing in the media oh, we're all part of this fraternity. that's why the public hates us because we won't call each other out. this is a terrible thing that williams did. i don't know why he did it. i don't know how he did it. i'm not trying to psychoanalyze hip. i just know we should have a higher standard for the people who lead news -- he has one of
the most honored jobs in this country as managing editor of a network news division. we can do better than people who say i don't know what got screwed up in my brain to say this. >> david, would it matter to you, i'm listening to everything you're saying would it matter to you if his chinook did take arms fire just a smaller arms fire? >> no because he said he took -- first of all, he said he took a very specific kind of fire and in almost every version he makes it sound as if he was in that first helicopter that got hit and the versions we have is that he showed up an hour later, for goodness' sakes. you know people online and people in e-mails to me today and various things have said look if you were in a chopper that took that kind of fire i don't care if it was 50 years ago, you wouldn't forget it. you wouldn't get confused about it. >> yeah. you know i was asking travis
with "stars and stripes." you bring up the veterans and i was saying to him how are the veterans responding to this apology from yesterday's "nightly news." he was saying they felt it was a bit forced maybe a little contrived. most found his word satisfactory though some were cynical because to me at the end of the day, so much of this falls to david's point on the veterans and whether they are accepting. brian williams has been i have always thought, a pretty phenomenal reporter especially all his days in iraq. >> he's covered military issues for years. >> so much. so much so. >> we should say he's got a deep well of credibility and good will among his fans. ten million of whom usually watch on a given night. he has a lot of fans out there and a lot of credibility he's built up over the years. i don't believe that will vanish right away. i think people will tune in tonight and hear the news from him. i do think over the long term there could be real damage here especially if he doesn't show more transparency about what happened. >> my other issue, just being part of a news organization and knowing there are many pieces
that come to putting a piece on air. we know this happened in 2003. the accurate chain of events we are told sort of over time there was this evolution and changing of the telling of the story. i'm wondering what about the nbc cameraman who was with him, who heard this through the years, different executives different producers. >> that's what i keep getting asked. i just can't figure out how this went on so publicly for so long with so many people who were in a position to know it was a lie. i haven't been able to get ahold of any of those staffers yet. i am told he will anchor tonight. >> go ahead, david. >> one of the things that's a great point you raise because nbc itself in various press venues publicity venues has told versions of this story. they are kind of complicit in it. that's going to be a problem for them too, to take any kind of action against him. we will find out are they more concerned with having the number one rated anchor on television or are they concerned about credibility. you can have both but i don't think you can have both once
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tonight, morgan sperlock with large animal zoo keepers. i talked to him about it recently. take a look. >> one always seems to follow. the first thing we do i checked on the way down, we made sure all the cages are locked. they come into these individual stalls and eat their dinner or breakfast depending on time of day. i will let you operate the door if you would like. >> there he is. >> whoa! he's pursing his lips. he's unhappy. >> that is called a threat face. they stand very rigid and very tall and then purse their lips and really very tight. >> right.
>> when you give them things you want to make sure your fingers don't cross and they can just take it from you. >> how about a banana? >> never been so happy to have a fence next to me in my life. >> you did not make a friend at the zoo, did you? >> there is nothing like a giant 800 pound gorilla coming at you in a cage. >> it's a total no-no to be like this. >> you don't want to stare at them ever because that is a threat to them. look at their chest or just look beyond them a little bit. they will stare right at you but you can't look at them. >> why is that? >> because then it's all about dominance. they will think you are trying to impose your dominance, you
are basically trying to fight with them. >> even though they are behind -- >> that's right. it's all about posturing and who's the leader. they always want to show dominance over you. >> were you finally able to make nice? >> i think i made nice by the end but you can only make so much nice with a gorilla. >> that's it for me. "the lead" with jake tapper starts right now. ukraine on the brink. i'm jake tapper. this is "the lead." the world lead. the u.s. tells vladimir putin we know exactly how many troops and tanks you're moving into ukraine right now. secretary of state john kerry saying todaydiplomacy can still work but as more ukrainians keep being killed by russian bullets, how much longer can kiev wait for serious help? also in world, new incredible stories. you wonder how anyone could survive. one man even saw his son, a baby slipping away yet managed to breathe